What is Gravitas? August 15, 2007
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I got some questions today that I thought would go a little way toward this small project of composing a history of Gravitas. I thought the answers to these questions would be interesting to a few.
How did Gravitas start?
The chronology of this is a little difficult to understand. The earliest thing I remember is being at Jill’s house having a meal on a Sunday afternoon and suggesting it would be great to have a midnight pizza bash and talk about something worthwhile. But before this, in the summer, we had had something similar at Bauder’s house where we got together to talk about Epistemology with a few people. This was a result of Ryan Martin’s suggestion one day that the thing we needed to do was to hammer out our epistemology. It is the single most important idea he ever put in my head. These things were a proto-Gravitas.
So in the fall we scheduled a midnight pizza bash and many of the young and none with small children came. I remember that first time we kicked it off by playing some music and I asked stupid questions about it. Then we got to the main part. We read Keats Ode to a Grecian Urn because it seemed agreeable to all. What I slyly neglected to mention was that I had a book by Cleanth Brooks called The Well Wrought Urn with a whole chapter on the poem which I consulted beforehand. So we arrived and began to discuss and we had a Christian School literature teacher to take exception to my notions. The conversation went around and I was patient enough to elicit a fuller explanation of the opposition and then pulled out my borrowed arguments. It came off very successfully. We all talked about the poem, and sunk ourselves into it by thinking and debating back and forth, and my actually having something substantial borrowed from Brooks to put in there made the thing work pretty nicely. We were all satisfied when we disbanded.
So we tried it again at the same late hour with Wordsworth’s Intimations of Immortality which was way too long, Brooks or no Brooks (the book also had a chapter on this). First we talked a bit about music and I made some more fatuous remarks that I have since found were that pretender Wagner’s stupid notions about music (I was disabused by Barzun in his book) and I am afraid I made the weariness of everyone present all the more keen by so doing. Then I read all the poem and I’m afraid it was a bit histrionic and soon after that many decided it was time to go and I never got to put in the bits by Brooks. We did not talk long, except that Todd stayed and talked to me till three about something or other. That was the end of the midnight pizza bashes and there the whole thing languished till January.
In January Eric and I had a class with Bauder, at the end of which, we started talking about having a get-together. I called it a bash, and Bauder got a list of people we thought showed signs of having enjoyed the Teaching Methods all have heard of by now, and he invited all to his house for a bash. We talked about impressionism and then about Thomas Kinkade (disparagingly). What really helped us keep it from falling all apart was having Bauder along early on. We needed him to help us with keeping the discussion from deteriorating away. If somebody tried to shut it all down with heavy handed objections, he was there to rescue things. Gradually he lapsed but he only helped to spark the regular thing and to send it in a more-or-less good direction. We began to do the thing monthly, then we added a newsletter, then we got a name for a silly reason and there it is.
And it takes time and failure and trying again. You have to learn what to avoid, how to ask questions, how to prepare, what things will work, and so on. It is worth keeping after even if you have a dull bash or a bash where everybody is mad at everybody because in the long run, perseverance is what it takes.
Did you lay down any ground rules?
We never really laid any ground rules. At one point we decided to come up with a sketch of our beliefs and that brought on some welcome argument, standing up and shouting at each other, and such. Some don’t enjoy that as much as Ryan and I did.
Were you all quite aware that you were on the same page from the start?
I don’t think we were all on the same page or are yet—for example, the intrusion of small children. So we still have disagreements and it is very good to get a person disagreeing as part of it as long as they aren’t obnoxious and one isn’t either. Some came and wandered away, having decided other commitments were more important, that the conversation was not enough about architecture, or what have you.
Did you ever invite people who you weren’t of the same mind?
Anybody who wanted to come was welcome. We never invited anybody who might not be interested, but the criteria was not, at least in my mind, disagreement, but rather disinterest. There were disagreements (people questioning inerrancy or Weaver). What we did for years was just decide who wanted to do something the next month, one or two things: lead a discussion of a poem, help us understand a piece, talk about this author or a journal article, etc. The point was not to be an expert at the thing, but to cultivate our capacities by fumbling around talking about serious matters. And we would read books by experts to help us along. One time we had a philosophy teacher from the U of St. Thomas, once a local pastor tell us how they did their worship service, this, that and the other.
What other questions should we answer?
Breaking News July 21, 2007
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Deborah has gotten us Dr. Robert Delnay for the bash. So we’ll change our plans and refrain from our regularly scheduled conversation.
We can ask him when he opened his heart to Weaver, we can ask him what Weaver means, we can ask him what he thinks of dissidens and if he’s opened his heart to him as well. Or whatever you think.
Having consulted with the families with small children crowd, I am happy to announce that children are banned from this bash unless it is really, really inconvenient—just to make room and to avoid exposing our guest to the indignities that accompany being around small children of any sort other than the comatose sort.
Feel free to invite anybody who might be interested, as always, even—should it be otherwise inconvenient—if they have to bring their children. But if you can mention to them that I frown on children without discouraging them from coming, feel free to do that also.
See if you can let Katrina know about any extra people who might come.
It will be here at the Zartmans’ at 5PM on Saturday, 28 July. Coffee will be on the house.
Less Than Words Can Confess July 20, 2007
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The suggestion that I objected to Richard Mitchell on the ground that he was too sarcastic for my effete tastes rankled so much in my soul it occasioned a persevering and intent pursuit of the practice of sarcasm for a long while after.
I objected to Richard Mitchell because I wanted to displease the person who thought the book interesting enough to assign it to a class for I had not enjoyed the book, so I found reasons. After all, what glory is there in agreeing with every idea a teacher holds? No doubt a great deal of my perennial bafflement with the workings of English grammar and especially the impenetrable mysteries of punctuation exacerbated my hostility. I think I came up with five reasons for disliking Mitchell: he was profane, he was lewd, he was always in a bad mood, his wit was not very light and probably something else. I wish I had kept the book review I wrote; alas, I did not. That it was much the reaction dissidens gets when he is first descried has often struck me and with no little force.
The truth is I was as perverse as I wanted to find Mitchell.
Nevertheless I persevered in reading him, especially under the early and goading intimation that in my fatuity I had not understood him as well as had an unassuming housewife taking the course as an elective for one of the lesser degrees. So I read Less Than Words Can Say again and I read The Graves of Academe, but with little mastery. I knew he knew what he was talking about, of that he left no doubt, but I cannot say even now that I could explain to you the argument of those books. They need to be re-read.
I bought his books when I ran across them and a few years later read through the selections out of the Underground Grammarian collected in The Leaning Tower of Babel. I read these at leisure, during lunch each day, a few at a time. These I relished and I learned to love the wit and to understand his position and the targets at which he aimed.
He may seem snide, taking shots in a way almost indiscriminate at harmless writers of memoranda, yet Mitchell was careful in finding his targets. He stayed away from the women and children, he only put enemy combatants in his sights. The confusion surely came from enemies who were in a war where they expected no retaliation, and it seems they were often enraged when they found one rising out of the landscape they meant to pillage, challenging their right of entry, resisting them by force of intellectual arms. And what force! It must also shock those who are casual about something when they meet with someone who is serious about the same thing. It shocked me.
To wilt under the scorn of Richard Mitchell is to fail to understand the proper importance of language. Ways of speaking are ways of thinking, and if one is careless about the way one thinks, then one deserves the scorn. Reading Mitchell ought to make one want to think as clearly as he did, and it ought to make one strive to do so.
My Conversion July 17, 2007
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One day, after they had dropped the bomb, a man in Chicago started looking out of his window and wondering how it was that we had come to such a place. The enormity of the thing pushed his thoughts back and back, and he came to the conclusion that it was because of William of Ockham, back in the fourteenth century.
Richard Weaver’s cultural criticism is so profound the most easy and natural thing at first is to dismiss it. That is what I did, at least. No way, I thought, these things are too remote, the very idea of making such connections was preposterous. Still, he had a lot of interesting insights.
Curiously, this was my reaction to the person who introduced me to the book. My heart leapt to hear some of the things he said; he had some very interesting ideas and he was articulating things in a way other teachers I had were not—more clearly, more accurately, with better understanding. He had clearly out-read me, even the authors I thought I was the only person interested in our circles (for more than the predatory purpose of garnering a sermon illustration): from Solzhenitsyn to Sarte, from Postman to Rookmaker, from T.S. Eliot to Dante. It really threw me for a loop when he made Eliot out to be a conservative—for crying out loud, he was a modernist poet! It baffled me when he explained the ending of Shotakoviches Fifth. And when he wanted to argue about what happens under that chestnut tree in Nausea I had to back down claiming I had only read the thing once.
At that time I thought Ockham’s razor was the only way to shave. I repudiated Weaver and his ideas hard and I kept it up, losing ground gradually. When at last I had to capitulate, in order to give nobody the pleasure of a victory or my acknowledged defeat I claimed what happened was that I’d been a Metaphysical Realist all along and only had to realize it.
And in a way it was the truth. More than any of the reading I did, what stayed with me was from the Chronicles of Narnia, those high, remote, medieval glories of nobility, of chivalry, of courage and goodness, of adventurous hope and of humble piety. And then there was Tolkien creating the thirst that draws us reading through so vast a desert of inferior imitation. So much did I long for what Tolkien showed me I tried my hand at the inferior imitation by candlelight and produced a great many maps.
There is a fundamental and ineluctable order that connects all things and demands the proper ordering of all our affections; it demands the putting in place of all our loyalties: some of which have to be realigned, some of which have to be quelled, some of which need to be mortified in cold blood. And it was this order that I had been taught to love before I knew it. I saw it in the vision of an Irishman from England and I glimpsed it in other places. Tolkien opened a high window in a cold tower that stood high in the mountains and looked over the peaks to a green land and the distant sea.
And then one day I was called to order, and forced to come to an understanding which at first was very painful, and still seems unending. I would have considered myself in January of the year 2000, a Nominalist by conviction. But ideas have consequences. One consequence is a tuning of the soul in which books are some of the instruments of tuning, but in which tuning many instruments are used to clean, and realign, and fix until it sounds again in tune with the cosmos.
Being in Love June 19, 2007
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I’m currently reading through C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity in which he has a chapter on Christian Marriage. He makes the interesting argument that “being in love” is not the same as “to love.” For context sake, I quote in length:
“Being in love is a good thing, but it is not the best thing. There are many things below it, but there are also things above it. You cannot make it the basis of a whole life. It is a noble feeling, but it is still a feeling. Now no feeling can be relied on to last in its full intensity, or even to last at all. Knowledge can last, principles can last, habits can last; but feelings come and go. And in fact, whatever people say, the state called “being in love” usually does not last. … But, of course, ceasing to be “in love” need not mean ceasing to love.
[A] notion we get from novels and plays is that “falling in love” is something quite irresistible; something that just happens to one, like measles. …When we meet someone beautiful and clever and sympathetic, of course we ought, in one sense, to admire and love these good qualities. But is it not very largely in our own choice whether this love shall, or shall not, turn into what we call “being in love”? No doubt, if our minds are full of novels and plays and sentimental songs, and our bodies full of alcohol, we shall turn any love we feel into that kind of love.”
The question that arises in my mind from this portion of Lewis relates to Christianity. It seems as though part of Christianity, its novels, plays, and songs, attempt to get the believer to hold on to, or maintain a certain feeling. “Remember when you first came to Christ! Remember the zeal, the love you first had for the Lord!” I have digressed.
The question is this: Can a parallel be drawn between “being in love” and the experience many believers have at salvation? Then, based on that answer, can a parallel be drawn between “to love” in marriage, and the Christian experience in sanctification?
~ MR
Architecture June 5, 2007
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If you are interested in architecture as an art form, I believe you will be interested in this discurses by Victor Hugo. This chapter is taken out of The Hunchback of Notre Dame and is not the only chapter of its kind in the book. It stands alone, so you need not have read the book to understand the piece I have posted here. Hugo juxtaposes the printing press with Notre Dame as demonstrated in the title, “This Will Kill That.”
~MR
Plans for the Next Bashing Season May 24, 2007
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Dwindling, but not extinguished, we have decided to fare forward with the following ideas.
See the schedule on the side.
We want to work our way through Understanding Fiction, a most excellent work. The plan is to read as much as we can stand, along with the discussions and questions. The Whites own a copy and so do the Zartmans. It is an expensive book, but if you don’t want to get it, you can just listen. We plan to do the reading of the stories and the observations as part of the bash itself. I think it will be most satisfactory.
We also want to finish the last two chapters of Visions of Order and discuss them once we have wearied ourselves on Understanding Fiction. After we finish VoO, we will continue with something along those lines: non-fiction, prosaic.
It seems to me it would be jolly if we could, sometime in June, read Copland’s What to Listen for in Music and have some musical person such as Andrea help us through it. Perhaps the 16th would not be inconvenient? I merely offer the suggestion.
George MacDonald May 10, 2007
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Please be so good as to read the following two things for the next bash.
Here is the essay from Saturday, “On Princes”.
Edward John Moreton Drax Plunkett, 18th Baron Dunsany April 26, 2007
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You will find some introductory information on Lord Dunsany here.
The observations of one of Dunsany’s articulate admirers is here, along with a good list of Dunsany’s works.
Another scion’s devotion to other refinements is here.
I will read three stories from the Book of Wonder, if you would like to read some or discuss one or another.
And you will find some general history about the place of these Lords here.
For a Good Time . . . March 27, 2007
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